The debut concept album "And On the Seventh Day We Shipped" features students calling Goat Bro Station with questions about tech, school, and building. What follows is the broadcast as it originally aired.
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"i didnt get a tech internship for the summer... what do i do?"
That's fine. Let's work this out so next summer you're talking to us at the headquarters of your dream company. First, internships need experience. Where you get that is solely up to you. So if someone's not paying you to learn, then you pay yourself to learn. Work on a project. If you don't have a project or idea in mind, use our project generator. Find an idea you like then start working on it. Add it to your github and resume and once you have 5 of them, go to networking events and talk to business people and tell them, hey here's links to 5 of my apps that you can check out. I'd like an internship for the summer. If you don't get an internship? Dude send us an email WITH THE CONTACT OF THAT PERSON WHO REJECTED YOU BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A WORD WITH THEM. HOW DARE THEY REJECT COMPETENCE GALORE? Seriously though, you're more than likely going to get one if you spend your summer actually building something. You will have experience. You got this. Seriously, send us that email if they reject you saying you don't have experience. howdarethey@zorentia.com
"i want to be like Bill Gates. can i? can you help me?"
Why do you want to be like Bill? What part of him do you want to be? How did you think of substituting yourself to become another human being? Walk us through the first day of that thought. You were in the bathroom and saw your eyes and thought hmmm I don't like my eyes, I want Bill's eyes... If you want money, money is straightforward. Provide something of value to many people and ask them if they're willing to pay you for what you provide. The more people who can pay you, the more money you'll make. It starts with having an idea and testing to see if people want a solution. You want money? You will make money. Just decide how you want that and we'll help you either way.
"i want to be a tech bro but how can i avoid the tech part?"
I got news for you. You're ready? 90% of tech bros don't have the tech part. That's right. Go on, celebrate. You as you are right now, in your secret thoughts, you already made it to the club. One foot in the door. An inch closer to destiny. Now that you're in the club, find someone who can do the tech for you. Comp Sci student. Work with them to build it and we look forward to reading about you on Tech Crunch because you my friend have a destiny so bright, you don't even know it. We are rooting for ya! Let's gooo zooorriieeees!
"can you make me rich by helping me build my app?"
*Stares into the sky while touching chin thinking about what I just heard and wondering which part of the brain will process this answer while mildy wondering what to say because this is core spechless centeral* We can give you the blueprint; you supply the effort. Matter of fact, system buffered on this question. System doesn't know what to say. System speechless.
"I want to learn how to build stuff and deploy them."
Say less mamacitaβ¦ welcome to our little builder-restaurant. Starter: Project Generator. The lil appetiser to help you actually figure out what to cook (aka what idea you're building). No more sitting there like "???" Main: Plan Builder. This is the actual meal. The thing that fills you up. Helps you assemble your building plan like an entreβ¦ guiding you on what to do on your laptop so you don't get lost halfway. Side dish: GitHub. Just a lil seasoning so you don't lose your files ever again. Chef's special: How to Deploy. Gets your creation onto the internet β the part where your food actually hits the table and people can eat it. Dessert: The Padlock (SSL). Sweet lil security layer to lock everything down. Protect your labor of love. Soβ¦ what you ordering first, mamacita?
"i have 3 group mates but one of them we dont like, should we build with them?"
Plot twist, what if you're the group mate other people are saying they don't like? Ok ok seriously though. Not liking someone in a group is perfectly normal. You not being liked is also perfectly normal. Because when it comes to work and getting things done, it's more important to work with people you can accomplish something with than people you'd eat sushi and go surfing with. Even you know you might never trust your surf buddy with a spreadsheet, but you love him to death. Same thing here. It's ok not to like people or be liked when you're working with them. The bigger question is always: can you accomplish something with them?
"so why do i need to learn how to code if ai can do it for me. just make my app."
Because your head works and is more intelligent than AI in understanding the human side and nuance of how your app is going to help someone else. If you tell AI build an app that's uber for goats, AI will build uber for goats based on how uber works as a traditional marketplace and will assume one side is for goats and the other is for the goat driver. But in reality only you know where to find the goats, Meh meh with them and tell them ahoy brother I got you app app. Then convince the goat owner you can talk to goats through your app and the goats can increase milk production to make the owner rich because meh meh brother won't be the one paying subscription. The owner will. AI won't understand that the goat won't actually physically use your app, at least not in that one description 'uber for goats'. Because your mind is so intelligent, you conceptually understand the details of how transportation and milk production align in goat farming. Maybe the goats are transported to your deluxe, cream-de-la-cream milking site and then back to the owner. You also need to let owners track their goats during transport so they don't worry you're skipping town. Your mind already knows these implied details are needed. AI doesn't. Though the conclusion is the same, technically, it will work like uber but in reality there's tweaking and changes that need to be done to really make it work for goat bro milk production. This is why AI is powerful. It will help you get the ground work done so you're not building from scratch but to truly make it work for your customer, your intelligence can't be substituted. But instead of it taking 4 months for you to build your app it might take you 1 month because you're tweaking and building on top of an existing system. But without the tweaks, the system fundamentally would not work as is. Please keep us posted when you launch though? lookmamaimadeit@zorentia.com
"how do people get ideas to work on for their apps? a good idea has never come to my head."
First, great ideas are not just thought. They are improved upon. Think about it: You know that friend Brad who is always asking: 2 days before the assignment deadline, "yo Mike, what's the assignment about? Can you just show me the first paragraph so I get an idea of what I should do?" But you know Brad. He doesn't know how to save himself. He will in fact look at your paragraph and the rest of the paper and copy it all word for word, comma for comma and only change the period to a question mark, landing you both in plagiarism. But you love Brad and hate saying no to him because he's genuinely a nice guy who was there for you when your sister was sick last semester and did all hospital runs with you till she recovered, so you feel bad saying no to the assignment check in because Brad is family. You also know that Brad is not dumb. If Brad went to class, Brad would in fact do the assignment. He just can't wake up at 8AM to make it to class unless you wake him up. But you can't wake yourself and then wake Brad up because you have a life too, and Brad lives across campus. The only way you both avoid academic integrity police is if Brad wakes up at 8 and makes it to class. So you remember last semester during group project this group had an alarm clock app that triggers alarms when someone touches a phone left in a public space. It's meant to catch thieves. Then you realize oh what if I made an alarm clock app that is controlled by me on someone else's phone? That way, Brad can download it, and you set the wake up time when you trigger it to start. The catch? Brad can't turn it off unless he's in the same location as you. You control when it goes off and it will ring till you and Brad sync in the same location. The cool thing you realize is that Brad's phone is also brokenβhe can't even power it off unless the battery dies. So his options are even worse: sleep through the worst alarm of his life, or finally drag himself to class to find you. So you build the Brad app. It works. Brad starts coming to class so you can turn off the alarm. But now your other roommate wants the app for his friend, and then another friend and soon 5 other people want the Brad app for their friends. Then 10, then 20, etc. Cool ideas are not thought out from thin air. The best ideas are the ones that come from solving problems you care about, and you can start with anything as long as it's going to make yours or someone's life better even for just a little bit. There will be another human being who needs your exact solution because they have your exact problem. Just remember: the best ideas are just everyday solutions to your everyday problems.
"when i pitch my ideas at pitch competitions, i always get rejected. what's the point of building an app if i'll never get funding?"
So let's say you win a pitch competition. You get prize money. Maybe two or three investors sniff around. One commits. Cool. Now the real work begins except now there's a very high chance you're building with a co-decision-maker. Not because you want one, but because investment automatically comes with shared decision power in most cases. Also: you can absolutely get investment and still build nothing meaningful. Access to money does not equal business success. Case in point: Quibi. Everyone needs money to live, yes. Rent, food, transport, life. But the best money in a business comes from your customer, not a donor, not prize money, not free cash from the sky, not an angel, not a you-have-so-much-potential bro. Tech is seductive because it looks like the winner is whoever raises the most money. But the real winner is whoever builds something that makes many people's lives so much easier they want to keep paying for it. The only way to learn that skill is: talk to your customers. Ask them to pay you from day one. Never stop asking until you've built something they're dying to pay for. If you're still at uni, money isn't always your bottleneck. Time is. Time to build, test, get rejected, fix it, iterate, talk to users, repeat. Pitch competitions? They're cute if you're extracting something out of them. Want your mom to stop shouting: BUT WHAT DO YOU REALLY DO IN YOUR ROOM ALL DAY AT THAT COMPUTER? Win one and say: This room-all-day thing? Someone just wrote me a cheque for it. Want your friends to take you seriously and stop borrowing your stuff without permission and only admit it AFTER YOU FIND IT IN THEIR DORM? Win a pitch competition so you can tell them: Listen: "Don't mess with me or at least mess with me with a little bit more caution now because you see this pitch competition just said my stuff is going somewhere YOU CLEARLY AREN'T ABLE TO ACCESSS now return my charger." But to build a business? To really build something that serves many people? That comes from time with your customers, not pitch judges. If investors don't choose you, who cares. If customers don't choose you, learn. And guess what? If your customers are paying you, and paying you really well, INVESTORS WILL CHASE YOU DOWN SO HARD THAT IF YOU TRIP AND FALL THEY WILL HELP YOU UP SO YOU CAN KEEP RUNNING AGAIN, SO THEY CAN START CHASING YOU AGAIN REALLY HARD SINCE YOU'RE RUNNING SO FAST AND THEY'RE TRYING TO CATCH UP SO THEY CAN GIVE YOU MONEY. Build your idea with your customers. You won't believe the cool things that will happen for you after. Just start. You already know Goat Bro is here for you. Your number one fan, supporting you because we ride till dawn.
"i dont understand it but with all this ai craze i just feel like the world is moving without me and i dont understand what's going on. i dont want to get left behind. but what's going on? if doctors are getting laid off because of ai and i am in med school should i still graduate?"
Imagine you have 100 acres of land. (Spread your arms wideβ¦ that's your 100 acres.) For years, you've hired 50 people to dig it by hand every January. Then one day you get a digging machine. Suddenly you only need 2 people to run it. So you let 48 people go. But your business didn't get simplerβit shifted. Now you need mechanics, trainers, and money for replacements. You let go of 48, but you end up needing almost 10 new roles. Your business becomes: hire someone who can repair the machine if it breaks. Teach 2 people how to operate it. Have enough cash to replace it if it dies. And eventually hire maybe 3 more people so they can learn it too and train new staff if the original two leave. Then you have to stay updated on whatever changes the manufacturer releases so your machine doesn't become outdated. Now the good part. Imagine John, your favorite digger, comes back. He says, "Boss, after you let me go, I learned how that machine works. Can I join as a trainer?" You're thrilled. You hire him back. John from the original squad is hire number 11. Then there's Francis, your second favourite. He doesn't come back looking for a job. He went and bought his own machine. He calls you and says, "If yours ever breaks down in an emergency, you can hire mine." Boom. Now you've got a contract with Francis Machinery. AI has done the same thing. It's removed the manual part of the work, but in doing so it's created a whole new ecosystem of jobs, innovation, opportunities, and ways of working that didn't exist before. So conceptually, yes, AI can replace your job. Realistically? You're not out of options. You might need to shift how you think about your workβexplore other ways to use your skills. But you are absolutely, definitely not out of options.
"if i can build my app and become a billionaire, should i still get a degree? i dont need college right? i can drop out? college is a scam."
Timothy, hang on. Hang on. One moment. Timmy Tim. Tim. Tim. You still there? Timmy Tim. Listen β paper cash won't fill the seats at your wedding. You need actual humans to show up and eat your food, no? And when you and Maggie eventually have a baby, that child will need some help getting a few people to their first-birthday bash while they figure out how to find their own crew. And you need to meet Maggie somehow, right? Econ class? Frat party? Library? Fast-forward: you're running your billion-dollar app, Timmy Tim, and boom β you get slapped with a copyright infringement lawsuit because one of your interns posted something on the company blog that put you in hot soup with media in another country. You've got the money to hire anyoneβ¦ but different countries have different rules. You can't hire or bribe who you don't even know. Guess who you call? Bob the Builder. The same guy who sat with you in the law library till 5AM every finals week. Same white shirt, same blue slacks, every single day. After two semesters the two of you became friends and the 5AM ritual was locked in. Bob the Builder is now a prominent corporate lawyer. You call. He picks up. He goes, "Say less, my brother. I got you. We'll get them. Relax." And you relax, because you were the snacks' plug during those 5AM woes. You had a bond. And he ends up saving your billion-dollar app so you and Maggie can continue riding into the sunset with baby "I-don't-have-my-own-friends-yet" Luling chilling in the back of your Porsche 1000. Over the summer you travel, make friends, see the world, and remember that random cultural literature studies elective you took where you read Coming Out as Dalit by Yashica Dutt. That class changed how you see culture, race, humanity β all of it. It had such a profound impact that you eventually opened an office in West Bengal and made sure every Indian employee you hired was paid above market rate. You kept getting nominated for best employer, and by example you pushed equality forward in your company. Now say you want to grow your billion-dollar app into a trillion-dollar app. You need technical advancement. Which kind? You don't know what you don't know. So you start auditing computer science grad classes at a nearby college β not because you need to, billionaire-Timmy-Tim never needs anything β but because you're curious. And suddenly you're learning about LiFi in mobile data networking (the new WiFi powered by sunlight and LEDs), and about LZW and BWT in web compression. Stuff you would NEVER have known to Google because β again β you don't know what you don't know. But now that you know it, you realize: ohβ¦ I've been losing $5M a year because AWS storage costs me $10M, and with web compression algorithms I could cut that in half. So you hire a compression engineer, overhaul your data storage, and boom β you save $5M. Enough for baby-still-friendless to get a Ferrari for their second-birthday party. Web compression is exactly the kind of thing you'd never think to search for on your own. But now that you know it, your pockets are happier. Timmy Tim, college can be a place where you just pick up a paperβ¦ or it can be a place that opens your world simply because you're around other humans. Without it, you have one billion. With it, you have one billion and a life full of stories and people. In the end it's about what you want, Timmy Tim. Either way, we'll hold you down with the billion-dollar app. Always.
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